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Rudhraighe O'Hagan · Nov 11, 2009, 04:27 PM // 16:27

You are all Missing the point...

GW Game cards for a complete copy of prophecies can be purchased for $12-$19 at any 7-11 World wide, and even if that account is banned within 72 hours that is enough time to "Bot" farm several Thousands of Platinum per game account.
"Profit" more than makes up for buying 5 or 6 more game cards to bot on the same computer at the same time. I can even run 6 separate accounts linked or separate on my 6 year old laptop. so the profit even with accounts being banned and new key's being used every 3 days is more than enough to keep up with 50 Anet employees working full time 24/7 just bot hunting.

The Real Banning Effectiveness is Deleting Buyers on personal accounts who purchase High End Miniatures and Tonics from Botting Companies. A Net should track "High End" Items and Bann the Buyer's of those items.

Quote:

Lookie at my new Panda or Ghostly Hero I bought it on E-Bay for $120.

And i have a $500. bid on a Kanaxie

and i think i'm gonna buy another 12 stacks of armbraces with next week's paycheck or i can just use this stolen credit card number...

lovedeluxe.RL · Nov 11, 2009, 08:44 PM // 20:44

I feel that if ANet can ban (they claim) 5000 illegal gold trades per week? (I believe i I saw that quote on the in-game log in screen a few weeks back), that they could catch "bots" just as easily.

With all the people reporting, and (from what I've noticed) very rapid response to direct questions to NCSoft Guild Wars technical, game, and customer service support staff, there should be a high number of accounts getting banned for botting.

However, I'm going to also point something out as food for thought: I used to farm Luxon Faction day after day (with me at the keyboard) using a technique called HFFF (hero/henchmen fast faction farming. ) This was done quite easily once I got the hang of it, and the pattern or techniques of placing your heroes and henchmen using flagging in the correct spots on the mini map along with timing skill use (such as running/or other skills) were not always the same each round I would farm.

HFFF in the Luxon area that I would farm was later fully blocked - as they changed the spawning points of kurzik attack teams to random locations (as opposed to the consistent places they would always spawn.)

They used the excuse: "Farming in this area is used primarily by botters."
Even though I was no pre-programmed automated program farming with the intent of accumulating gold to sell for cash outside of the GW's game, the repetitive nature (back to back to back runs for faction) and the very similar appearing hero flagging and skill use of my team could very easily be mistaken for an automated program.

I protested via several channels, and finally came to the conclusion that the 7-10 minutes it would take for a clear the mission and start afresh, was really not so much a botting issue with NCSoft as it was an issue of being "to easy" to rack up faction using this methodology. I later learned that the kurzik equivalent of the luxon mission I had been doing took between 1-3 minutes to accomplish!

I guess if I were trying to make a point it would be this: They catch the gold sellers/buyers all the time. If bots are operating in the game (and IF in all truth it's not a live human just doing something over and over again) they are going to catch the gold sellers/buyers much more easily than stopping automated programs that have somehow cracked the game, hacked into the Guild Wars servers and are able to slip in automated software to accumulate products and/or gold to provide for the demand of the underground economy.

Like any society there is going to be sufficient motive by some individuals or groups to attempt to break the rules.

My experience with the game has shown me (personally) how tight the security department is in regard to this game. I have been terminated (not banned) for using my girlfriend's pre-paid debit card to buy an 8 dollar xunlai chest slot - later resolved after several days by proving without doubt that I was authorized to make the purchase, and security's relatively quick investigation of the matter. I even received an apology / ???we were just protecting the game??? response which was a nice addition.

I don't think botting is really the problem people think that it is, but solo players that are farming and doing something over and over again can be easily mistaken for some software exploit of the game.

I was very upset that they banned my Hero Fast Faction Farming, but understood that probably the main reason they did it was similar to reasons they have stopped farming using the eye of the north guy with the powder kegs. It was simply to easy and to fast to accumulate items, gold, or (in my case) faction- and hence the modification to game mechanics (nerf) to prevent it.

I wouldn't worry about bots as much as praising one of the only MMO's that actually gives a care about preventing exploitation of the game by people that have enough real world cash to buy in game gold, and the problems of griefing, changing the market prices, and general destabilization of the game economy.

If you want to see how devastating rampant uncontrolled gold buying and selling effects a game, I encourage you (if you have the money and time) to buy yourself World of Warcraft- and just TRY to keep up with the other players based on ONLY the time you play, and your natural skill and talent level. (And good luck to you.) You will never feel satisfied having accomplished your goals in World of Warcraft, because they are always adding new standards/ raising the bar higher and higher each time: creating something new you have to do in order to keep up with everyone else. No time to enjoy personal accomplishment or satisfaction with that accomplishment ??? just people trying to keep up with, or get ahead of everyone else.

Again just my opinion and 2 cents for what it's worth

-RL

Arduin · Nov 12, 2009, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Report them on the wiki. It's all you can do.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_..._Gray/Botwatch

Nov 11, 2009, 08:44 PM // 20:44	#22
lovedeluxe.RL Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Nov 2009 Profession: E/Mo	My 2 cents ( lol - for what it's worth ) I feel that if ANet can ban (they claim) 5000 illegal gold trades per week? (I believe i I saw that quote on the in-game log in screen a few weeks back), that they could catch "bots" just as easily. With all the people reporting, and (from what I've noticed) very rapid response to direct questions to NCSoft Guild Wars technical, game, and customer service support staff, there should be a high number of accounts getting banned for botting. However, I'm going to also point something out as food for thought: I used to farm Luxon Faction day after day (with me at the keyboard) using a technique called HFFF (hero/henchmen fast faction farming. ) This was done quite easily once I got the hang of it, and the pattern or techniques of placing your heroes and henchmen using flagging in the correct spots on the mini map along with timing skill use (such as running/or other skills) were not always the same each round I would farm. HFFF in the Luxon area that I would farm was later fully blocked - as they changed the spawning points of kurzik attack teams to random locations (as opposed to the consistent places they would always spawn.) They used the excuse: "Farming in this area is used primarily by botters." Even though I was no pre-programmed automated program farming with the intent of accumulating gold to sell for cash outside of the GW's game, the repetitive nature (back to back to back runs for faction) and the very similar appearing hero flagging and skill use of my team could very easily be mistaken for an automated program. I protested via several channels, and finally came to the conclusion that the 7-10 minutes it would take for a clear the mission and start afresh, was really not so much a botting issue with NCSoft as it was an issue of being "to easy" to rack up faction using this methodology. I later learned that the kurzik equivalent of the luxon mission I had been doing took between 1-3 minutes to accomplish! I guess if I were trying to make a point it would be this: They catch the gold sellers/buyers all the time. If bots are operating in the game (and IF in all truth it's not a live human just doing something over and over again) they are going to catch the gold sellers/buyers much more easily than stopping automated programs that have somehow cracked the game, hacked into the Guild Wars servers and are able to slip in automated software to accumulate products and/or gold to provide for the demand of the underground economy. Like any society there is going to be sufficient motive by some individuals or groups to attempt to break the rules. My experience with the game has shown me (personally) how tight the security department is in regard to this game. I have been terminated (not banned) for using my girlfriend's pre-paid debit card to buy an 8 dollar xunlai chest slot - later resolved after several days by proving without doubt that I was authorized to make the purchase, and security's relatively quick investigation of the matter. I even received an apology / ???we were just protecting the game??? response which was a nice addition. I don't think botting is really the problem people think that it is, but solo players that are farming and doing something over and over again can be easily mistaken for some software exploit of the game. I was very upset that they banned my Hero Fast Faction Farming, but understood that probably the main reason they did it was similar to reasons they have stopped farming using the eye of the north guy with the powder kegs. It was simply to easy and to fast to accumulate items, gold, or (in my case) faction- and hence the modification to game mechanics (nerf) to prevent it. I wouldn't worry about bots as much as praising one of the only MMO's that actually gives a care about preventing exploitation of the game by people that have enough real world cash to buy in game gold, and the problems of griefing, changing the market prices, and general destabilization of the game economy. If you want to see how devastating rampant uncontrolled gold buying and selling effects a game, I encourage you (if you have the money and time) to buy yourself World of Warcraft- and just TRY to keep up with the other players based on ONLY the time you play, and your natural skill and talent level. (And good luck to you.) You will never feel satisfied having accomplished your goals in World of Warcraft, because they are always adding new standards/ raising the bar higher and higher each time: creating something new you have to do in order to keep up with everyone else. No time to enjoy personal accomplishment or satisfaction with that accomplishment ??? just people trying to keep up with, or get ahead of everyone else. Again just my opinion and 2 cents for what it's worth -RL

Nov 12, 2009, 12:10 AM // 00:10	#23
Arduin Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: Limburgse Jagers [LJ] Profession: R/	Report them on the wiki. It's all you can do. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_..._Gray/Botwatch